Two amazing humans navigate the grey and decide to take a break.

Two amazing humans navigate the grey as they try to unpack a listener question. Essentially, somewhere in the question is the wondering if something can make you racist. While this wasn't the full question, it was a part that stood out to us. N...

Two amazing humans navigate the grey as they talk about the feeling of racism. White people cannot and will not ever feel racism, but there can be conscious steps white people take through racial self-talk to seek to understand and consciously ...

Two amazing humans navigate the grey as they breakdown the concept of truth. Why are we as a people so afraid of the truth? We can't handle the truth! Finding the truth, speaking about the truth, and acting on the truth are ways in which we can...

Two amazing humans navigate the grey as they discuss the dumpster fire that burns around us. We discuss Roe (again), Bruce's Beach (although not so much a dumpster fire), involuntary relocation, outing LGBTQ students, Jayland Walker, and Emmett...

Two amazing humans navigate the grey as they discuss the crumble of American Democracy. Just prior to this episode, the Supreme Court struck down Roe v. Wade, turning the power of abortion rights back to the state. We break down what it means i...

Two amazing humans navigate the grey as they do what they do best - shit jabber. We came into today's episode without a topic, we just wanted to talk about what came to us. It's a good way to model the conversation, but also just to show a litt...

Two amazing humans navigate the grey as we breakdown the nation's conversations, or lack thereof, around white supremacy culture and racism. Following the events of Buffalo, the nation quickly (and rightfully) shifted to a conversation around g...

Two amazing humans navigate the grey as they discuss Juneteenth. Much of this conversation is centered in some of the recent events of capitalistic appropriation of the holiday - Walmart and Party City. We unpack what some white-owned companies...

Two amazing humans navigate the gray as we reflect on part two of the Buffalo shooting, as well as the recent shooting in Uvalde. We discuss the ways in which we move through these events - at the hands of the media, environment, etc.  Hon...

Two amazing humans navigate the grey as they reflect and talk about the recent horrific shooting in Buffalo, NY. We give space for each other to reflect within our own identities. While we don't have the answers, sometimes we know we have to ke...

Two amazing humans navigate the grey as they discuss the future of the pod. 81 weekly episodes in and it's time to consider where we go from here. What is the ongoing impact of the pod? Has it evolved or should it evolved? We're not saying we'r...

Two amazing humans navigate the grey as they discuss the recent Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductees. On his first opportunity on the ballot, Eminem gets the nod. Rolling Stone wrote

Two amazing humans navigate the grey as they discuss a phrase often heard when talking about racism or white supremacy culture - "not all white people." This came to us from an article called

Two amazing humans navigate the grey as they discuss their response to Jane Elliot's question - "If you as a white person would be happy to receive the same treatment that our black citizens do in this society - please stand!" It is a question ...

Two amazing humans navigate the grey as they discuss the ability to move past racial injustices when they don't have historical or systemic knowledge of past injustices and when those injustices seem too far removed. We tie this into the recent...

Two amazing humans navigate the grey as they discuss labels, primarily the label People of Color. This came to us via a Twitter thread where the author suggested that term be retired from our use. Basically this episode is an evolution of our t...

Two amazing humans navigate the grey as they discuss the week in news. Every week brings new pod topics to us. Each week we try to discern one to talk about, but this week felt like a lot was happening, so we decided to talk about it all! We pi...

Two amazing humans navigate the grey as they discuss a relatively new debate - digital blackface. While not everyone agrees on what it means, digital blackface is when white people use a meme or gif of a black person. We discuss the impact, the...

Two amazing humans navigate the grey as they discuss some of the recent nonsense around the policing of hair and heads. We talk about a move in St. Cloud School District to move away from banning hats, hoodies, do rags, and bonnets. This type o...

Two amazing humans navigate the grey as they talk about the concept of white saviors. We know that the work is internal and not external. Understanding that will eliminate the idea of a white savior. As they say in A Kid's Book about E...

Two amazing humans navigate the grey as they discuss the concept of refugees. This conversation was undoubtedly spurred by the current situation in Ukraine; however, we know the situation with refugees is much more vast. There are wars in Syria...

Two amazing humans navigate the grey as they try to unpack a slew of racist incidents at Minnesota high schools. While incidents such as these are not new, they do seem to be brought to light more often than in the past. While one episode isn't...

Two amazing humans navigate the grey as they discuss Andrea Elliott's book Invisible Child: Poverty, Survival, and Hope in an American City. It's rare we spend time talking about a book and its story - but this time we dig in. This is ...

Two amazing humans navigate the grey as the break down the domino concept. This came to us from a listener who turned us on to a TedTalk by Luvvie Ajayi Jones entitled